I can speak from experience that I use every excuse in the book Not to break thru, to actually Get There, to finally Be what I believe it is possible to be.
I'm too tired, I'll try to astrally project tommorrow. Hello? tick tock, tick tock? You're going to Die? Madness, Madness it is, that people stall and stall- even when they truly believe, as I do, that the paranormal is very real and the most important thing you could possibly focus upon. Most important thing, period. All else comes second place!
And yet- the time wasted! How long have I been so-called "committed" to this goal, of actively seeking confirmation of the reality of the paranormal? 2 years? thats almost 800 days! Crazy.
WELL
well...
Tuesday, March 27, 2007
Me admittedly being an Ass on PalmTreeGarden :)
Rheginus: "Literalism has a bad name, undeservedly! Yahweh as an Alien? The Archons of Yahweh as Aliens? Good! Good Literalism...Jesus as really the Son of God? BAD Literalism. Jesus as the Literary Mouthpiece of Aether-borne Gnosis of how to combat the Archons, Alien or otherwise? Good!The Nag Hammadi Library as the Greatest Ancient religious text the world has ever seen in combatting the forces of Evil? Yes! :) "
sparkwidget (moderator) : "I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish Rheginus, but this topic is getting super old. Your many posts on the topic should be sufficient for now, since we have little need to fill the entire forum with Lashtilian nonsense. You might have someone on board if you didn't hammer the literalism garbage. This stuff might make good science fiction, but I fail to see what use can be derived from your extremely literalist interpretation, which in your case seems to produce ugly disdain for religious people of all stripes. Please do not simply continue to add posts on the same topic in hopes of people actually jumping on board with your "literalism." Perhaps you ought to start a Lashtilian/Bigot-themed forum of your own, because I think this crap is getting mad old."
Bro Scott: "Rheginus,I think you're a little too enamored of 'combating the forces of evil'.The 'forces of evil' are trapped here, just like we are.We're all in this together."
THREAD CLOSED
sparkwidget (moderator) : "I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish Rheginus, but this topic is getting super old. Your many posts on the topic should be sufficient for now, since we have little need to fill the entire forum with Lashtilian nonsense. You might have someone on board if you didn't hammer the literalism garbage. This stuff might make good science fiction, but I fail to see what use can be derived from your extremely literalist interpretation, which in your case seems to produce ugly disdain for religious people of all stripes. Please do not simply continue to add posts on the same topic in hopes of people actually jumping on board with your "literalism." Perhaps you ought to start a Lashtilian/Bigot-themed forum of your own, because I think this crap is getting mad old."
Bro Scott: "Rheginus,I think you're a little too enamored of 'combating the forces of evil'.The 'forces of evil' are trapped here, just like we are.We're all in this together."
THREAD CLOSED
The Archons of Palm Tree Garden Exposed, Part 2 >:)
http://www.palmtreegarden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1598
Rheginus: "Whether you consider the Old Testament God to be some "shadow" of the real God or whatever- Gnosticism, in it's essence, is all about opposition to Yahweh, Afterall, if it weren't, then Manichaeism would be called Gnostic in these forums, but it isn't. People who don't like that, who don't like the Old testament God having garbage thrown on top of them, well, what kind of Gnostic are you? What are you saying? What kind of God is God then? What kind of Gnostic are you? What are you willing to concede?"
Space debris: "No, it isn't. Really, it isn't. That's the most extreme oversimplification of Gnosticism I've seen in a long time. All you're doing is playing into the stereotype of "Gnostics" as childish rebels, and doing it in a way that leads to some rather ugly, bigoted views.Come on, man, stop posting stuff you know won't fly here. I personally don't want you to get banned again, because I think you do have some interesting ideas, but the way you're acting you will be banned again."
Rheginus: "but why would a person be banned on a Gnostic forum for opposition tp Yaldabaoth??!"
Bro Puma (PTG Site Admin) : "Rheginus, this is your final warning. We've been more than gracious with you. One more post or comment designed specifically to raise hackles and you will be banned from the forum. This has nothing to do with your "opposition" to Yaldabaoth; this is because you have consistently failed to play nice with others, and have been 'trolling' in the forum by posting numerous topics that are obviously sensitive in nature. Please desist now.I'm closing this thread."
space debris: "It's the way you're doing it, Rheginus. Ridiculing mainstream religious people. Flaming "Yahweh" in a manner that would reduce Gnosticism to a petty anti-semitism. And doing so repeatedly, even after you've been warned to stop multiple times.Here's a more direct answer to your original question, though: not all Gnostics "hated" the demiurge! Valentinians considered him a flawed but basically good figure. Platonizing Sethians didn't consider the demiurge a significant enough issue to even mention it... I know for a lot of people, including me, "bashing god" can add some appeal to Gnosticism when they first come into contact with its ideas. But the question is, are you willing to dig deeper, to move beyond a simplistic, black-and-white view, especially when people who have been at this longer are telling you that you're missing the point? If not, why do you come to this forum?"
sparkwidget: "This is unmedicated polemical nonsense. I've talked to many Jews and Christians who revere and worship the God represented in the Old Testament, but theirs is not as simplistic a picture as yours, nor are they literalist as you are. You commit a grave mistake in assuming that all mainstream religionists are tiny-brained literalists who approve of everything they read in every page of the bible. "Gnosticism is all about opposition to the Old Testament God" is a gross oversimplification and shown to be patently false by many Gnostics who either fail to mention old Yaldy at all or have more positive opinions towards him. Besides, I hardly think that the Demiurge represents a literal God who is an unspiritual alternative to the "True" God. He instead likely represents a mode of worship that is harmful, the literalist mode. Like Marcion, your ridiculous literalism and insistence that Yaldy-Baldy is something tangible like a tuna sandwich puts you squarely in the category of the literalist mode. You are essentially opposing your own view like a dog chasing its tail.I think you ought to take Space Debris' eloquent advice to heart."
THREAD CLOSED
Rheginus: "Whether you consider the Old Testament God to be some "shadow" of the real God or whatever- Gnosticism, in it's essence, is all about opposition to Yahweh, Afterall, if it weren't, then Manichaeism would be called Gnostic in these forums, but it isn't. People who don't like that, who don't like the Old testament God having garbage thrown on top of them, well, what kind of Gnostic are you? What are you saying? What kind of God is God then? What kind of Gnostic are you? What are you willing to concede?"
Space debris: "No, it isn't. Really, it isn't. That's the most extreme oversimplification of Gnosticism I've seen in a long time. All you're doing is playing into the stereotype of "Gnostics" as childish rebels, and doing it in a way that leads to some rather ugly, bigoted views.Come on, man, stop posting stuff you know won't fly here. I personally don't want you to get banned again, because I think you do have some interesting ideas, but the way you're acting you will be banned again."
Rheginus: "but why would a person be banned on a Gnostic forum for opposition tp Yaldabaoth??!"
Bro Puma (PTG Site Admin) : "Rheginus, this is your final warning. We've been more than gracious with you. One more post or comment designed specifically to raise hackles and you will be banned from the forum. This has nothing to do with your "opposition" to Yaldabaoth; this is because you have consistently failed to play nice with others, and have been 'trolling' in the forum by posting numerous topics that are obviously sensitive in nature. Please desist now.I'm closing this thread."
space debris: "It's the way you're doing it, Rheginus. Ridiculing mainstream religious people. Flaming "Yahweh" in a manner that would reduce Gnosticism to a petty anti-semitism. And doing so repeatedly, even after you've been warned to stop multiple times.Here's a more direct answer to your original question, though: not all Gnostics "hated" the demiurge! Valentinians considered him a flawed but basically good figure. Platonizing Sethians didn't consider the demiurge a significant enough issue to even mention it... I know for a lot of people, including me, "bashing god" can add some appeal to Gnosticism when they first come into contact with its ideas. But the question is, are you willing to dig deeper, to move beyond a simplistic, black-and-white view, especially when people who have been at this longer are telling you that you're missing the point? If not, why do you come to this forum?"
sparkwidget: "This is unmedicated polemical nonsense. I've talked to many Jews and Christians who revere and worship the God represented in the Old Testament, but theirs is not as simplistic a picture as yours, nor are they literalist as you are. You commit a grave mistake in assuming that all mainstream religionists are tiny-brained literalists who approve of everything they read in every page of the bible. "Gnosticism is all about opposition to the Old Testament God" is a gross oversimplification and shown to be patently false by many Gnostics who either fail to mention old Yaldy at all or have more positive opinions towards him. Besides, I hardly think that the Demiurge represents a literal God who is an unspiritual alternative to the "True" God. He instead likely represents a mode of worship that is harmful, the literalist mode. Like Marcion, your ridiculous literalism and insistence that Yaldy-Baldy is something tangible like a tuna sandwich puts you squarely in the category of the literalist mode. You are essentially opposing your own view like a dog chasing its tail.I think you ought to take Space Debris' eloquent advice to heart."
THREAD CLOSED
The Archons of Palm Tree Garden Exposed!
http://www.palmtreegarden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1595
Rheginus: "Here's an image, when Jews and Christians and Muslims pray to (what they think is) their God, their psychic energies are siphoned off into these glowing Energon Cubes and this alien who is called Yaldabaoth sits on a throne that looks like H.R. Giger made it and he is laughing evilly, and his repulsive Grey minions laugh through their slimy mouthless faces."
Jordanstratford+ : "Here's an image: Jews cackling over the news of war because of how much money they'll make controlling the world banking and arms industries.Note how both this image and the one preceeding it are vile bigotry and propoganda, serving only the forces of division and hatred.Rheginus? Please leave. Please go away and don't come back. Your attitude is disgusting."
Xander: "Sounds something ripped straight from a comic series called "Planetary". Just all the Jew and Christian hatin' isn't getting you very far, here or anywhere else. Ya dig?"
sparkwidget (moderator): "Here's an image: so-called Gnostics sitting finding excuses to hate their fellow man in a false spiritual superiority complex - drooling new age UFO-cult morons wearing foil hats and patting themselves on the back for being better than everyone else. Jobless basement-dwelling idiots stuffing cheetos in their faces, convinced of their own enlightenment.
I do *not* appreciate my close family and friends being talked about like they are Ctulu worshippers. I do not appreciate this bigoted garbage being aimed at my parishoners and friends anymore than you would appreciate it. Stop it.
Two questions to think about, Rheginus...
1) Do you understand why this sort of rhetoric is seen as bigoted and hurtful?
2) Do you really consider yourself to be so enlightened that you can paint such huge swaths of people with such ugly strokes?
Say bye-bye thread."
THREAD CLOSED
Now, my comments, briefly. Jordan Stratford, what a whiney biatch! meow! reyow!
Rheginus: "Here's an image, when Jews and Christians and Muslims pray to (what they think is) their God, their psychic energies are siphoned off into these glowing Energon Cubes and this alien who is called Yaldabaoth sits on a throne that looks like H.R. Giger made it and he is laughing evilly, and his repulsive Grey minions laugh through their slimy mouthless faces."
Jordanstratford+ : "Here's an image: Jews cackling over the news of war because of how much money they'll make controlling the world banking and arms industries.Note how both this image and the one preceeding it are vile bigotry and propoganda, serving only the forces of division and hatred.Rheginus? Please leave. Please go away and don't come back. Your attitude is disgusting."
Xander: "Sounds something ripped straight from a comic series called "Planetary". Just all the Jew and Christian hatin' isn't getting you very far, here or anywhere else. Ya dig?"
sparkwidget (moderator): "Here's an image: so-called Gnostics sitting finding excuses to hate their fellow man in a false spiritual superiority complex - drooling new age UFO-cult morons wearing foil hats and patting themselves on the back for being better than everyone else. Jobless basement-dwelling idiots stuffing cheetos in their faces, convinced of their own enlightenment.
I do *not* appreciate my close family and friends being talked about like they are Ctulu worshippers. I do not appreciate this bigoted garbage being aimed at my parishoners and friends anymore than you would appreciate it. Stop it.
Two questions to think about, Rheginus...
1) Do you understand why this sort of rhetoric is seen as bigoted and hurtful?
2) Do you really consider yourself to be so enlightened that you can paint such huge swaths of people with such ugly strokes?
Say bye-bye thread."
THREAD CLOSED
Now, my comments, briefly. Jordan Stratford, what a whiney biatch! meow! reyow!
Thursday, March 22, 2007
"The Gospel of Truth" - Relevant Quotes
This ignorance of the Father brought about terror and fear. And terror became dense like a fog, that no one was able to see. Because of this, error became strong. But it worked on its hylic substance vainly, because it did not know the truth. It was in a fashioned form while it was preparing, in power and in beauty, the equivalent of truth. This then, was not a humiliation for him, that illimitable, inconceivable one. For they were as nothing, this terror and this forgetfulness and this figure of falsehood, whereas this established truth is unchanging, unperturbed and completely beautiful.
For this reason, do not take error too seriously. Thus, since it had no root, it was in a fog as regards the Father, engaged in preparing works and forgetfulnesses and fears in order, by these means, to beguile those of the middle and to make them captive. The forgetfulness of error was not revealed. It did not become light beside the Father. Forgetfulness did not exist with the Father, although it existed because of him. What exists in him is knowledge, which was revealed so that forgetfulness might be destroyed and that they might know the Father, Since forgetfulness existed because they did not know the Father, if they then come to know the Father, from that moment on forgetfulness will cease to exist.
What, then, is that which he wants him to think? "I am like the shadows and phantoms of the night." When morning comes, this one knows that the fear which he had experienced was nothing. Thus they were ignorant of the Father; he is the one whom they did not see. Since there had been fear and confusion and a lack of confidence and doublemindness and division, there were many illusions which were conceived by him, the foregoing, as well as empty ignorance - as if they were fast asleep and found themselves a prey to troubled dreams.
Either there is a place to which they flee, or they lack strength as they come, having pursued unspecified things. Either they are involved in inflicting blows, or they themselves receive bruises. Either they are falling from high places, or they fly off through the air, though they have no wings at all. Other times, it is as if certain people were trying to kill them, even though there is no one pursuing them; or, they themselves are killing those beside them, for they are stained by their blood. Until the moment when they who are passing through all these things - I mean they who have experienced all these confusions - awake, they see nothing because the dreams were nothing.
It is thus that they who cast ignorance from them as sheep do not consider it to be anything, nor regard its properties to be something real, but they renounce them like a dream in the night and they consider the knowledge of the Father to be the dawn. It is thus that each one has acted, as if he were asleep, during the time when he was ignorant and thus he comes to understand, as if he were awakening. And happy is the man who comes to himself and awakens. Indeed, blessed is he who has opened the eyes of the blind.
"The Gospel of Philip" Relevant Quotes
Those who sow in winter reap in summer. The winter is the world, the summer the other Aeon (eternal realm). Let us sow in the world that we may reap in the summer. Because of this, it is fitting for us not to pray in the winter. Summer follows winter. But if any man reap in winter he will not actually reap but only pluck out, since it will not provide a harvest for such a person. It is not only [...] that it will [...] come forth, but also on the Sabbath [...] is barren.
Light and Darkness, life and death, right and left, are brothers of one another. They are inseparable. Because of this neither are the good good, nor evil evil, nor is life life, nor death death. For this reason each one will dissolve into its earliest origin. But those who are exalted above the world are indissoluble, eternal.
Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect. So also with "the Father" and "the Son" and "the Holy Spirit" and "life" and "light" and "resurrection" and "the Church (Ekklesia)" and all the rest - people do not perceive what is correct but they perceive what is incorrect, unless they have come to know what is correct. The names which are heard are in the world [...] deceive. If they were in the Aeon (eternal realm), they would at no time be used as names in the world. Nor were they set among worldly things. They have an end in the Aeon.
But truth brought names into existence in the world for our sakes, because it is not possible to learn it (truth) without these names. Truth is one single thing; it is many things and for our sakes to teach about this one thing in love through many things. The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good. They took the name of those that are good and gave it to those that are not good, so that through the names they might deceive him and bind them to those that are not good. And afterward, what a favor they do for them! They make them be removed from those that are not good and place them among those that are good. These things they knew, for they wanted to take the free man and make him a slave to them forever.
Those who say that the Lord died first and (then) rose up are in error, for he rose up first and (then) died. If one does not first attain the resurrection, he will not die. As God lives, he would [...].
No one will hide a large valuable object in something large, but many a time one has tossed countless thousands into a thing worth a penny. Compare the soul. It is a precious thing and it came to be in a contemptible body.
It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually exist unless he becomes like them. This is not the way with man in the world: he sees the sun without being a sun; and he sees the heaven and the earth and all other things, but he is not these things. This is quite in keeping with the truth. But you saw something of that place, and you became those things. You saw the Spirit, you became spirit. You saw Christ, you became Christ. You saw the Father, you shall become Father. So in this place you see everything and do not see yourself, but in that place you do see yourself - and what you see you shall become.
When the pearl is cast down into the mud, it becomes greatly despised, nor if it is anointed with balsam oil will it become more precious. But it always has value in the eyes of its owner. Compare the Sons of God: wherever they may be, they still have value in the eyes of their Father.
He who comes out of the world, and so can no longer be detained on the grounds that he was in the world, evidently is above the desire of the [...] and fear. He is master over [...]. He is superior to envy. If [...] comes, they seize him and throttle him. And how will this one be able to escape the great [...] powers? How will he be able to [...]? There are some who say, "We are faithful" in order that [...] the unclean spirits and the demons. For if they had the Holy Spirit, no unclean spirit would cleave to them.
Fear not the flesh nor love it. If you fear it, it will gain mastery over you. If you love it, it will swallow and paralyze you.
And so he dwells either in this world or in the resurrection or in the middle place. God forbid that I be found in there! In this world, there is good and evil. Its good things are not good, and its evil things not evil. But there is evil after this world which is truly evil - what is called "the middle". It is death. While we are in this world, it is fitting for us to acquire the resurrection, so that when we strip off the flesh, we may be found in rest and not walk in the middle. For many go astray on the way. For it is good to come forth from the world before one has sinned.
Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images. The world will not receive truth in any other way. There is a rebirth and an image of rebirth. It is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one? Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image...
The powers do not see those who are clothed in the perfect light, and consequently are not able to detain them. One will clothe himself in this light sacramentally in the union.
"The Book of Thomas the Contender" Relevant Quotes
Now Thomas said to the lord, "Therefore I beg you to tell me what I ask you before your ascension, and when I hear from you about the hidden things, then I can speak about them. And it is obvious to me that the truth is difficult to perform before men."
The savior answered, saying, "If the things that are visible to you are obscure to you, how can you hear about the things that are not visible? If the deeds of the truth that are visible in the world are difficult for you to perform, how indeed, then, shall you perform those that pertain to the exalted height and to the pleroma which are not visible? And how shall you be called 'laborers'? In this respect you are apprentices, and have not yet received the height of perfection."
And Thomas answered, "Therefore I say to you, lord, that those who speak about things that are invisible and difficult to explain are like those who shoot their arrows at a target at night. To be sure, they shoot their arrows as anyone would - since they shoot at the target - but it is not visible. Yet when the light comes forth and hides the darkness, then the work of each will appear. And you, our light, enlighten, O lord."
Jesus said, "It is in light that light exists."
Thomas, spoke, saying, "Lord, why does this visible light that shines on behalf of men rise and set?"
The savior said, "O blessed Thomas, of course this visible light shines on your behalf - not in order that you remain here, but rather that you might come forth - and whenever all the elect abandon bestiality, then this light will withdraw up to its essence, and its essence will welcome it, since it is a good servant."
Then the savior continued and said, "O unsearchable love of the light! O bitterness of the fire that blazes in the bodies of men and in their marrow, kindling in them night and day, and burning the limbs of men and making their minds become drunk and their souls become deranged [...] them within males and females [...] night and moving them, [...] secretly and visibly. For the males move [...] upon the females and the females upon the males. Therefore it is said, "Everyone who seeks the truth from true wisdom will make himself wings so as to fly, fleeing the lust that scorches the spirits of men." And he will make himself wings to flee every visible spirit."
Again the savior answered and said, "Therefore it is necessary for us to speak to you, since this is the doctrine of the perfect. If, now, you desire to become perfect, you shall observe these things; if not, your name is 'Ignorant', since it is impossible for an intelligent man to dwell with a fool, for the intelligent man is perfect in all wisdom. To the fool, however, the good and bad are the same - indeed the wise man will be nourished by the truth and (Ps. 1:3) "will be like a tree growing by the meandering stream" - seeing that there are some who, although having wings, rush upon the visible things, things that are far from the truth. For that which guides them, the fire, will give them an illusion of truth, and will shine on them with a perishable beauty, and it will imprison them in a dark sweetness and captivate them with fragrant pleasure. And it will blind them with insatiable lust and burn their souls and become for them like a stake stuck in their heart which they can never dislodge. And like a bit in the mouth, it leads them according to its own desire. And it has fettered them with its chains and bound all their limbs with the bitterness of the bondage of lust for those visible things that will decay and change and swerve by impulse. They have always been attracted downwards; as they are killed, they are assimilated to all the beasts of the perishable realm."
And the savior answered, saying, "Blessed is the wise man who sought after the truth, and when he found it, he rested upon it forever and was unafraid of those who wanted to disturb him."
Thomas answered and said, "It is beneficial for us, lord, to rest among our own?"
The savior said, "Yes, it is useful. And it is good for you, since things visible among men will dissolve - for the vessel of their flesh will dissolve, and when it is brought to naught it will come to be among visible things, among things that are seen. And then the fire which they see gives them pain on account of love for the faith they formerly possessed. They will be gathered back to that which is visible. Moreover, those who have sight among things that are not visible, without the first love they will perish in the concern for this life and the scorching of the fire. Only a little while longer, and that which is visible will dissolve; then shapeless shades will emerge, and in the midst of tombs they will forever dwell upon the corpses in pain and corruption of soul."
Thomas answered and said, "What have we to say in the face of these things? What shall we say to blind men? What doctrine should we express to these miserable mortals who say, "We came to do good and not curse," and yet claim, "Had we not been begotten in the flesh, we would not have known iniquity"?"
The savior said, "Truly, as for those, do not esteem them as men, but regard them as beasts, for just as beasts devour one another, so also men of this sort devour one another. On the contrary, they are deprived of the kingdom since they love the sweetness of the fire and are servants of death and rush to the works of corruption. They fulfill the lust of their fathers. They will be thrown down to the abyss and be afflicted by the torment of the bitterness of their evil nature. For they will be scourged so as to make them rush backwards, whither they do not know, and they will recede from their limbs not patiently, but with despair. And they rejoice over [...] madness and derangement [...] They pursue this derangement without realizing their madness, thinking that they are wise. They [...] their body [...] Their mind is directed to their own selves, for their thought is occupied with their deeds. But it is the fire that will burn them."
The savior answered and said, "Truly I tell you that he who will listen to your word and turn away his face or sneer at it or smirk at these things, truly I tell you that he will be handed over to the ruler above who rules over all the powers as their king, and he will turn that one around and cast him from heaven down to the abyss, and he will be imprisoned in a narrow dark place. Moreover, he can neither turn nor move on account of the great depth of Tartaros and the heavy bitterness of Hades that is steadfast [...] them to it [...] they will not forgive [...] pursue you. They will hand [...] over to [...] angel Tartarouchos [...] fire pursuing them [...] fiery scourges that cast a shower of sparks into the face of the one who is pursued. If he flees westward, he finds the fire. If he turns southward, he finds it there as well. If he turns northward, the threat of seething fire meets him again. Nor does he find the way to the east so as to flee there and be saved, for he did not find it in the day he was in the body, so that he might find it in the day of judgment."
Then the savior continued, saying, "Woe to you, godless ones, who have no hope, who rely on things that will not happen!
"Woe to you who hope in the flesh and in the prison that will perish! How long will you be oblivious? And how long will you suppose that the imperishables will perish too? Your hope is set upon the world, and your god is this life! You are corrupting your souls!
"Woe to you within the fire that burns in you, for it is insatiable!
"Woe to you because of the wheel that turns in your minds!
"Woe to you within the grip of the burning that is in you, for it will devour your flesh openly and rend your souls secretly, and prepare you for your companions!
"Woe to you, captives, for you are bound in caverns! You laugh! In mad laughter you rejoice! You neither realize your perdition, nor do you reflect on your circumstances, nor have you understood that you dwell in darkness and death! On the contrary, you are drunk with the fire and full of bitterness. Your mind is deranged on account of the burning that is in you, and sweet to you are the poison and the blows of your enemies! And the darkness rose for you like the light, for you surrendered your freedom for servitude! You darkened your hearts and surrendered your thoughts to folly, and you filled your thoughts with the smoke of the fire that is in you! And your light has hidden in the cloud of [...] and the garment that is put upon you, you [...]. And you were seized by the hope that does not exist. And whom is it you have believed? Do you not know that you all dwell among those who that [...] you as though you [...]. You baptized your souls in the water of darkness ! You walked by your own whims!
(Jesus said)
"Blessed are you who have prior knowledge of the stumbling blocks and who flee alien things.
"Blessed are you who are reviled and not esteemed on account of the love their lord has for them.
"Blessed are you who weep and are oppressed by those without hope, for you will be released from every bondage.
"Watch and pray that you not come to be in the flesh, but rather that you come forth from the bondage of the bitterness of this life. And as you pray, you will find rest, for you have left behind the suffering and the disgrace. For when you come forth from the sufferings and passions of the body, you will receive rest from the good one, and you will reign with the king, you joined with him and he with you, from now on, for ever and ever, Amen."
"The Dialogue of the Savior"- Relevant Quotes
The Savior said to his disciples, "Already the time has come, brothers, for us to abandon our labor and stand at rest. For whoever stands at rest will rest forever. And I say to you, be always above [...] time…"
"I will teach you. When the time of dissolution arrives, the first power of darkness will come upon you. Do not be afraid and say "Behold! The time has come!" But when you see a single staff ... (3 lines indecipherable) ... understand [...] the work [...] and the governors [...] come upon you [...]. Truly, fear is the power [...]. So if you are going to be afraid of what is about to come upon you, it will engulf you. For there is not one among them who will spare you or show you mercy.
The Savior said, "The lamp of the body is the mind. As long as the things inside you are set in order, that is, [...], your bodies are luminous.
Matthew said, "Lord, I want to see that place of life, [the place] where there is no wickedness, but rather, there is pure light!" The Lord said, "Brother Matthew, you will not be able to see it as long as you are carrying flesh around." Matthew said, "Lord, even if I will not be able to see it, let me know it!" The Lord said, "Everyone who has known himself has seen it in everything given to him to do, [...] and has come to [...] it in his goodness."
Judas responded, saying, "Tell me, Lord, how it is that [...] which shakes the earth moves." The Lord picked up a stone and held it in his hand, saying "What am I holding in my hand?" He said, "It is a stone." He said to them, "That which supports the earth is that which supports the heaven. When a Word comes forth from the Greatness, it will come on what supports the heaven and the earth…"
Then he [...] Judas and Matthew and Mary [...] the edge of heaven and earth. And when he placed his hand upon them, they hoped that they might [...] it. Judas raised his eyes and saw an exceedingly high place, and he saw the place of the abyss below. Judas said to Matthew, "Brother, who will be able to climb up to such a height or down to the bottom of the abyss? For there is a tremendous fire there, and something very fearful!" At that moment, a Word came forth from it. As it stood there, he saw how it had come down. Then he said to it, "Why have you come down?" And the Son of Man greeted them and said to them, "A seed from a power was deficient, and it went down to the abyss of the earth. And the Greatness remembered it, and he sent the Word to it. It brought it up into his presence, so that the First Word might not fail."
Judas said, "Behold! The governors dwell above us, so it is they who will rule over us!" The Lord said, "It is you who will rule over them! But when you rid yourselves of jealousy, then you will clothe yourselves in light and enter the bridal chamber."
Judas said, "Tell me, Lord, what the beginning of the path is." He said, "Love and goodness. For if one of these existed among the governors, wickedness would never have come into existence."
They said to him, "What is the place to which we are going?" The Lord said, "Stand in the place you can reach!" Mary said, "Everything established thus is seen." The Lord said, "I have told you that it is the one who can see who reveals."
Mary said, "There is but one saying I will speak to the Lord concerning the mystery of truth: In this have we taken our stand, and to the cosmic are we transparent."
member of palmtreegarden, "Heresiarch"- my kinda Gnostic
Here's what he posted in answer to the the thread topic "Should Gnostics be vegetarian?"
http://www.palmtreegarden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1298
HERESIARCH:
A should or ought is Gnostic not. Holders of the Holy Gnosis *can* be vegetarians, as they have no boss, and they answer directly to the ULTIMATE. If the Gnostic shuns the meats, then the Gnostic shuns the meats. If the Gnostic eats the meats, the Gnostic eats the meats. Gnostics ought as Gnostics are. Their HUNGER is for a different kind.
Woe to he who 'ought's' or 'nots' the Gnostic! SHOULD Gnostics do this? SHOULD Gnostics do that? There is one TRUTH that needs mentioning, and that is that THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTE TRUTHS IN GNOSIS. The Gnostic needs not your subscriptions and prescriptions of what foods to eat and not eat; did the Christ-Master not dismiss this as madness in the HOLY TWIN'S GOSPEL? The holy TRUTH is merely the fact-that-is, and that is what my Master taught me, what IS. All deviations from truth, all your ought's and nots, are DOGMAS to be burnt with the FIRE OF THE ULTIMATE on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Believe not, slaves of your dogmas, but KNOW SO!
But, to nicer things. We also know from our Gnostic teachings that a divine element, the BREATH OF THE ULTIMATE, resides within and animates all things. This element exists not in isolated bits but a continuous flow which stretches out and covers the surface of all creation, but it can be found in higher concentrations - for instance, in the Gnostic. Between planets, where this BREATH is not conducted by elements but subject to VOID, the BREATH subsides beneath the surface of space and finds its font elsewhere in the LIFE FORCE of living existence, or the KOSMOS. The BREATH is this LIFE FORCE. Every creature of ULTIMATE under the Sun (or, suns/stars/comets/planets/angels/aliens) is the microcosmic spirit-spasm of the ULTIMATE through His holy BREATH. The Gnostic aims by spiritual practice to concentrate these sparks of BREATH in themselves and thus become the more complete microcosm of the ULTIMATE. Therefore, I have taught my students the value of the BLOOD FEAST, or the eating of large numbers of animals, in their entirety. In this feats-of-eating might the lost BREATH be consolidated in concentration, and utilized by the Gnostic as REAL SPIRITUAL MANNA. The sleeping GOD FORCE in those animals becomes a potent source of divine ENERGY for the Gnostic.But these TRUTHS remain closed to the eyes who see not, and the minds who think not, and the fingers that grasp not!
What IS good? All that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power ITSELF. What is bad? All that is BORN OF WEAKNESS. What is happiness? The feeling that power is GROWING, that resistance is overcome.
ECCLESIA GNOSTICA OCCULTA
http://www.palmtreegarden.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1298
HERESIARCH:
A should or ought is Gnostic not. Holders of the Holy Gnosis *can* be vegetarians, as they have no boss, and they answer directly to the ULTIMATE. If the Gnostic shuns the meats, then the Gnostic shuns the meats. If the Gnostic eats the meats, the Gnostic eats the meats. Gnostics ought as Gnostics are. Their HUNGER is for a different kind.
Woe to he who 'ought's' or 'nots' the Gnostic! SHOULD Gnostics do this? SHOULD Gnostics do that? There is one TRUTH that needs mentioning, and that is that THERE ARE NO ABSOLUTE TRUTHS IN GNOSIS. The Gnostic needs not your subscriptions and prescriptions of what foods to eat and not eat; did the Christ-Master not dismiss this as madness in the HOLY TWIN'S GOSPEL? The holy TRUTH is merely the fact-that-is, and that is what my Master taught me, what IS. All deviations from truth, all your ought's and nots, are DOGMAS to be burnt with the FIRE OF THE ULTIMATE on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Believe not, slaves of your dogmas, but KNOW SO!
But, to nicer things. We also know from our Gnostic teachings that a divine element, the BREATH OF THE ULTIMATE, resides within and animates all things. This element exists not in isolated bits but a continuous flow which stretches out and covers the surface of all creation, but it can be found in higher concentrations - for instance, in the Gnostic. Between planets, where this BREATH is not conducted by elements but subject to VOID, the BREATH subsides beneath the surface of space and finds its font elsewhere in the LIFE FORCE of living existence, or the KOSMOS. The BREATH is this LIFE FORCE. Every creature of ULTIMATE under the Sun (or, suns/stars/comets/planets/angels/aliens) is the microcosmic spirit-spasm of the ULTIMATE through His holy BREATH. The Gnostic aims by spiritual practice to concentrate these sparks of BREATH in themselves and thus become the more complete microcosm of the ULTIMATE. Therefore, I have taught my students the value of the BLOOD FEAST, or the eating of large numbers of animals, in their entirety. In this feats-of-eating might the lost BREATH be consolidated in concentration, and utilized by the Gnostic as REAL SPIRITUAL MANNA. The sleeping GOD FORCE in those animals becomes a potent source of divine ENERGY for the Gnostic.But these TRUTHS remain closed to the eyes who see not, and the minds who think not, and the fingers that grasp not!
What IS good? All that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power ITSELF. What is bad? All that is BORN OF WEAKNESS. What is happiness? The feeling that power is GROWING, that resistance is overcome.
ECCLESIA GNOSTICA OCCULTA
"Is Support for the Archons support for Israel?" - my closed thread from palmtreegarden
Slight Edit to this post (08-05-07)
There are Orthodox Jews opposed to the existence of Israel as well. They literally stand in the street with placards that have the Israeli Flag in one of those red "No" circles with the line thru it. Here's a website of one of them...
http://www.nkusa.org/ NETUREI KARTA - International Jews United Against Zionism
and now, the original post...
Rheginus:
I expect this thread to be trash-canned within two seconds of me posting it, but I thought I'd try anyway. The Modern State of Israel - The Epitome of Archonic Aspirations?
I will state my own opinion, for the record. First, my old opinion (superceded by a new one)- The founding of the colonialist State of Israel was a mistake, but now that it exists we must support it's right to exist. That was my old opinion.
My New Opinion- the founding of the colonialist State of Israel was a mistake, and we are in no way bound somehow morally etc to support it's right to exist. It's important to note here I am referring to people who do not condone the violent destruction of the Israeli Nation-State, but rather those who, like myself, as a matter of principle have the opinion that it is an illegal state and in an ideal world it would be dismantled by the United Nations, just like the Berlin Wall was dismantled.
Now, just because this will never happen does not mean we are obliged to default to the opinion "oh well guess they should stay".People may ask, what does this have to do with Gnosticism? I feel it does what can I say.If you're brave enough, post a comment ;)
Replyer: (I choose to leave them anonymous):
I know that we don't usually engage in ad hominem attacks around here but I have checked with the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Sophia, and everybody else within the ethereal realm of the pleroma and they all agree, you're an asshole.
Rheginus:
LMAO
Rheginus:
I posted this topic the same way I wish to post the topic "Is voting Republican voted for Capital A Archons". An argument could be made that we have a moral duty to minimise Archonic influence in America by only voting for the lower case a archons, the DemocratsIn a similar vein, I think that to "call out the lie" that support of the State of Israel is obligatory of all good little westerners could be seen as a sort of duty
THREAD CLOSED
There are Orthodox Jews opposed to the existence of Israel as well. They literally stand in the street with placards that have the Israeli Flag in one of those red "No" circles with the line thru it. Here's a website of one of them...
http://www.nkusa.org/ NETUREI KARTA - International Jews United Against Zionism
and now, the original post...
Rheginus:
I expect this thread to be trash-canned within two seconds of me posting it, but I thought I'd try anyway. The Modern State of Israel - The Epitome of Archonic Aspirations?
I will state my own opinion, for the record. First, my old opinion (superceded by a new one)- The founding of the colonialist State of Israel was a mistake, but now that it exists we must support it's right to exist. That was my old opinion.
My New Opinion- the founding of the colonialist State of Israel was a mistake, and we are in no way bound somehow morally etc to support it's right to exist. It's important to note here I am referring to people who do not condone the violent destruction of the Israeli Nation-State, but rather those who, like myself, as a matter of principle have the opinion that it is an illegal state and in an ideal world it would be dismantled by the United Nations, just like the Berlin Wall was dismantled.
Now, just because this will never happen does not mean we are obliged to default to the opinion "oh well guess they should stay".People may ask, what does this have to do with Gnosticism? I feel it does what can I say.If you're brave enough, post a comment ;)
Replyer: (I choose to leave them anonymous):
I know that we don't usually engage in ad hominem attacks around here but I have checked with the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Sophia, and everybody else within the ethereal realm of the pleroma and they all agree, you're an asshole.
Rheginus:
LMAO
Rheginus:
I posted this topic the same way I wish to post the topic "Is voting Republican voted for Capital A Archons". An argument could be made that we have a moral duty to minimise Archonic influence in America by only voting for the lower case a archons, the DemocratsIn a similar vein, I think that to "call out the lie" that support of the State of Israel is obligatory of all good little westerners could be seen as a sort of duty
THREAD CLOSED
Sunday, March 18, 2007
Preincarnate Spark of the Divine and "Intelligence/Consciousness" just as Good - All has Soul
In the ancient religion of Gnosticism, some of us have the spark of the divine, and some do not, or alternately, some of us awaken to the spark of the divine within us and some do not.
I wish to make the unequivocal statement here and now that Spirit imbues All, living and non-living. All is Eternal. Admittedly, the "Spark of the Divine" would appear to be something in addition to Spirit- the point being that All living beings have immortal souls, however not all living beings are embodied by a preincarnate spark of the divine.
You may say at this point - "How dare you issue edicts without proof!" I confess, I do not have proof (nor do i issue edicts, merely tesitfy to that which I feel is the truth) , but I feel compelled to argue this metaphysical point due to the disturbing appearance online of sites, movements, that make the case that not all of us humans have a soul!
I am willing to concede that perhaps not all of us were originally a preincarnate intelligence that embodied itself, but I argue that even the beings (human and non-human) without such a pre-existence have indeed Immortality all the same, as do the animals and the plants and the rocks.
Immortality is embedded into the very nature of reality, the very nature of physics. Sure, some quintessential part of you may have existed prior to the body you have now, but even if this is the first time "you" ever existed, you you shall remain- indeed, your afterlife path is not constrained for it in comparison to someone who's inner being has origin from a non-biological intelligence.
Animals have souls. Three days before my pet rabbit died, I woke up in sleep paralysis and a voice labouredly said to me "I like you". I scarcely think many preincarnate souls would waste their time incarnating into animals or plants etc and yet I am convinced they are immortal. Ants are immortal! Their afterlife may be shitty but they aren't aware of that!
And if quality of afterlife or if indeed range of possible experiences is only constrained by level of intelligence, well, then you can absolutely say that even humans who have not had a preincarnate intelligence incarnate into them indeed have their own intelligence and consciousness anyway, and the only difference in the afterlife would be that the preincarnate that incarnates as a human will after their human body dies remember this fact, whereas the human that has no preincarnate intelligence incarnated into them at the time of their physical death will be experiencing the astral realm for the first time. some difference!
All have Soul
:)
I wish to make the unequivocal statement here and now that Spirit imbues All, living and non-living. All is Eternal. Admittedly, the "Spark of the Divine" would appear to be something in addition to Spirit- the point being that All living beings have immortal souls, however not all living beings are embodied by a preincarnate spark of the divine.
You may say at this point - "How dare you issue edicts without proof!" I confess, I do not have proof (nor do i issue edicts, merely tesitfy to that which I feel is the truth) , but I feel compelled to argue this metaphysical point due to the disturbing appearance online of sites, movements, that make the case that not all of us humans have a soul!
I am willing to concede that perhaps not all of us were originally a preincarnate intelligence that embodied itself, but I argue that even the beings (human and non-human) without such a pre-existence have indeed Immortality all the same, as do the animals and the plants and the rocks.
Immortality is embedded into the very nature of reality, the very nature of physics. Sure, some quintessential part of you may have existed prior to the body you have now, but even if this is the first time "you" ever existed, you you shall remain- indeed, your afterlife path is not constrained for it in comparison to someone who's inner being has origin from a non-biological intelligence.
Animals have souls. Three days before my pet rabbit died, I woke up in sleep paralysis and a voice labouredly said to me "I like you". I scarcely think many preincarnate souls would waste their time incarnating into animals or plants etc and yet I am convinced they are immortal. Ants are immortal! Their afterlife may be shitty but they aren't aware of that!
And if quality of afterlife or if indeed range of possible experiences is only constrained by level of intelligence, well, then you can absolutely say that even humans who have not had a preincarnate intelligence incarnate into them indeed have their own intelligence and consciousness anyway, and the only difference in the afterlife would be that the preincarnate that incarnates as a human will after their human body dies remember this fact, whereas the human that has no preincarnate intelligence incarnated into them at the time of their physical death will be experiencing the astral realm for the first time. some difference!
All have Soul
:)
Saturday, March 17, 2007
The Two Things to Fear- Yourself, and the Archons
The Spiritual Path is called Astral. No fancy names. It is the recognition of the Truth of the Lore of the ages and especially it's confirmation by the Astral Pioneers and the NDE researchers and the communications with the spirit world for the last several decades.
Realise what reality truly is, and realise the two primary danger to your wellbeing in the next life- Yourself, and the Archons.
In terms of yourself, the Golden Rule is quite easy- That which you fear, crave, hope, and believe shall become manifest in the next life.
If you have no fear, no addictions and minimal beliefs then your chances of smooth transition to the next life look very good.
But you don't just have to worry about yourself. You have "Demons" for lack of a better word, spirits (though some of them aren't dead, merely out-of-the-body) who dog you, hound you. They are invisible now, but they hover over you just as your invisible anonymous benefactors do. What are these evil/misguided/tortured-torturing beings doing hovering over you?
In Tibetan Lore they are "Hungry Ghosts", they want a hit of whatever it is you're having, whether it be drugs or sex. And the Modern Revelations confirm this, and add further knowledge of what is going on. Somehow, these Demons feed off your emotions, like energy. And then there are those that just want to fuck with you for the hell of it.
They are invisible for the most part now, but in the life to come, when your current physical body dies and you cross over- those fuckers will be waiting for you.
And that which you fear, crave, hope and believe shall become Manifest. All those demons have to do is torment an ignorant soul for a few moments and they may become convinced they are in eternal hell, and then the demons will have them to play with for God-knows how long. Do you really want to learn how long it takes for the Astral Angel Police to arrive?!
Before Anything Else, Renounce these Two Extremely Bad Ideas - Immediately! 1. Belief that there is no Afterlife for certain, and 2. That there is an Eternal Hell (by extension, that torments by demonic beings cannot be ceased)
The lesser danger to possibly befall you is ensnarement in some false afterlife reality, that, although pleasant enough, is infact nothing but pure delusion, sustained by perhaps solely yourself or along with others. But then, this will only really happen to Christians and Muslims etc, people who strongly believe in particular Religions, you know?
Just avoid Soul Coma/Sleep (thru belief in no afterlife) and also Hells (thru belief in the power of demons to truly hurt and detain you) and you shall be well on your way :)
Realise what reality truly is, and realise the two primary danger to your wellbeing in the next life- Yourself, and the Archons.
In terms of yourself, the Golden Rule is quite easy- That which you fear, crave, hope, and believe shall become manifest in the next life.
If you have no fear, no addictions and minimal beliefs then your chances of smooth transition to the next life look very good.
But you don't just have to worry about yourself. You have "Demons" for lack of a better word, spirits (though some of them aren't dead, merely out-of-the-body) who dog you, hound you. They are invisible now, but they hover over you just as your invisible anonymous benefactors do. What are these evil/misguided/tortured-torturing beings doing hovering over you?
In Tibetan Lore they are "Hungry Ghosts", they want a hit of whatever it is you're having, whether it be drugs or sex. And the Modern Revelations confirm this, and add further knowledge of what is going on. Somehow, these Demons feed off your emotions, like energy. And then there are those that just want to fuck with you for the hell of it.
They are invisible for the most part now, but in the life to come, when your current physical body dies and you cross over- those fuckers will be waiting for you.
And that which you fear, crave, hope and believe shall become Manifest. All those demons have to do is torment an ignorant soul for a few moments and they may become convinced they are in eternal hell, and then the demons will have them to play with for God-knows how long. Do you really want to learn how long it takes for the Astral Angel Police to arrive?!
Before Anything Else, Renounce these Two Extremely Bad Ideas - Immediately! 1. Belief that there is no Afterlife for certain, and 2. That there is an Eternal Hell (by extension, that torments by demonic beings cannot be ceased)
The lesser danger to possibly befall you is ensnarement in some false afterlife reality, that, although pleasant enough, is infact nothing but pure delusion, sustained by perhaps solely yourself or along with others. But then, this will only really happen to Christians and Muslims etc, people who strongly believe in particular Religions, you know?
Just avoid Soul Coma/Sleep (thru belief in no afterlife) and also Hells (thru belief in the power of demons to truly hurt and detain you) and you shall be well on your way :)
24 posts in 2 days...I am impressed with myself
Some Blogs were meant to be fancy, to have elegant language with every single word used by the Blogger considered and reconsidered. I, on the other hand, know some of my views are so off-putting and bewildering (though not to all ;) I do believe) that I may as well just say them, and let that be that.
I am not sure what will happen in the future with this Blog, as I have never kept one before. As I said my manner is curt and lacking refinement, and I never bother to run spellcheck before I post! Do not be surprised if I am MIA for weeks at a time, and then a sudden burst of seemingly juvenile bile erupts, spilling forth some dozen odd postings.
Unlike other "Gnostic" Blogs, I am not in Stasis. I am actively pursueing the Paranormal. This is the stated Charter of my Blog. Indeed, it has become the Charter of my Life. Do I try to record EVPs of Ghosts every day, and try to Astrally Project every night? Of course not, I am a very faulted human being and have had a past problem with substance abuse and may well have brain damage :) though that certainly hasn't stopped me from possessing paranormal faculties (seeing the future).
If and when I have any breakthroughs whether in the field of EVP recording or in Astral Projection, I will Testify: Not caring what others say about "prove it! prove it!" Those people miss the point.
One is drawn forward, Upward by the testimony of others and then one's belief/convincedness is perfected through personal experience/knowing. Not everything that is true can be proven to the masses, or at least, not by some schmo like me. THAT will take scientists- and there are more than a few working on it! Take heart!
I ramble, I go off-topic, though there is no topic to this thread. I will continue to ramble, to share and if nobody listens now, maybe they will listen in years to come. vanity? perhaps :)
I am not sure what will happen in the future with this Blog, as I have never kept one before. As I said my manner is curt and lacking refinement, and I never bother to run spellcheck before I post! Do not be surprised if I am MIA for weeks at a time, and then a sudden burst of seemingly juvenile bile erupts, spilling forth some dozen odd postings.
Unlike other "Gnostic" Blogs, I am not in Stasis. I am actively pursueing the Paranormal. This is the stated Charter of my Blog. Indeed, it has become the Charter of my Life. Do I try to record EVPs of Ghosts every day, and try to Astrally Project every night? Of course not, I am a very faulted human being and have had a past problem with substance abuse and may well have brain damage :) though that certainly hasn't stopped me from possessing paranormal faculties (seeing the future).
If and when I have any breakthroughs whether in the field of EVP recording or in Astral Projection, I will Testify: Not caring what others say about "prove it! prove it!" Those people miss the point.
One is drawn forward, Upward by the testimony of others and then one's belief/convincedness is perfected through personal experience/knowing. Not everything that is true can be proven to the masses, or at least, not by some schmo like me. THAT will take scientists- and there are more than a few working on it! Take heart!
I ramble, I go off-topic, though there is no topic to this thread. I will continue to ramble, to share and if nobody listens now, maybe they will listen in years to come. vanity? perhaps :)
ah yes 2012 wouldn't that be nice!
I don't know about you, but I'm tired! :) I think we have entered an era where optimism for the future, quite frankly, is dead. Our generations on Earth are the "Last To Die" as it has been coined dramatically yet somewhat disingeniously by someone (afterall, whether you die in 100 years or 1000 years you die!) . Yep, we're all going to be worked like slaves until we're a mere decade or so from death, and the whole time with the world falling to bits with terrorism and ecological disaster and most probably a few recessions (if not a great depression) thrown in for good measure!
2012, 2012- Oh how I love thee! I must admit, I have done scant research on the subject, and as a natural skeptic (you may laugh at this point, granted) I think if I bothered to research the whole New Age and New New Age fascination and vehemence about 2012 I may find myself quickly somewhat less than unconvinced nothing is going to happen!
2012- deserves more investigation. Don't assume nothing will happen!
2012, 2012- Oh how I love thee! I must admit, I have done scant research on the subject, and as a natural skeptic (you may laugh at this point, granted) I think if I bothered to research the whole New Age and New New Age fascination and vehemence about 2012 I may find myself quickly somewhat less than unconvinced nothing is going to happen!
2012- deserves more investigation. Don't assume nothing will happen!
Friday, March 16, 2007
The Gist of the Astral Revelations and the Importance of Nag Hammadi
The following I posted on palmtreegarden and shall paste here and then discuss the importance of Nag Hammadi in relation to it
the spiritual concept of "consensus realms" , what Out-Of-Body Experience pioneers such as Monroe first related (he called them "belief system territories") and others after him continually reaffirmed as true. Even Deepak Chopra mentions them in his new book "Life After Death"! These delusional afterlife "realms" were discussed over a thousand years ago by the Tibetans as well. As Chopra notes, in Hinduism they are referred to as Lokas.
As I said, I believe in them, I don't Know. But I also believe that I can come to Know! Basically, the concept can be explained like this- a person who believes there is no afterlife for certain runs the risk of going into a sort of soul-coma upon death and lingering in a perceived state of unconsciousness as though under anaesthetic for possibly a very long time, and may even require outside assistance, as they are so embedded in their "one-person consensus realm" that they are unable to even turn to the Light.
Then there are the collective consensus realms which are maintained by a community of souls that have the same beliefs, but these places can fragment and eventually disappear over time as more and more souls become disillusioned with them, fallling out individually or in groups, sometimes to better "astral destinations" sometimes to worse, depending on how traumatic it was for their bubble to be burst and to realise they were hanging out with an automaton Jesus and Virgin Mary etc
Lastly, there are the Non-Delusional Realms which people freely create for themselves alone or in groups, and though they will still be coloured by their personal projected prejudices and past sufferings, in general such people and groups now know what the score is and have left what Gnosticism has sometimes called "The Middle".
END OF PASTE FROM FORUM
Now, the Relevance of Gnosticism and the reading of the Nag Hammadi Library is pivotal- no other ancient written spiritual tradition in the world can prepare you as well for the afterlife, only modern writings could top them. The constant focus on the evils of this world and the next, and how we must battle and strive to overcome them and to conquer our fears, the constant spur to vigilance, constant vigilance!
Nag Hammadi will massage your shoulders, champ, keep you in Good shape for the "fight", all those minor ones along the way leading up to the Final (Transition). Keep in shape! Keep the fire burning bright
the spiritual concept of "consensus realms" , what Out-Of-Body Experience pioneers such as Monroe first related (he called them "belief system territories") and others after him continually reaffirmed as true. Even Deepak Chopra mentions them in his new book "Life After Death"! These delusional afterlife "realms" were discussed over a thousand years ago by the Tibetans as well. As Chopra notes, in Hinduism they are referred to as Lokas.
As I said, I believe in them, I don't Know. But I also believe that I can come to Know! Basically, the concept can be explained like this- a person who believes there is no afterlife for certain runs the risk of going into a sort of soul-coma upon death and lingering in a perceived state of unconsciousness as though under anaesthetic for possibly a very long time, and may even require outside assistance, as they are so embedded in their "one-person consensus realm" that they are unable to even turn to the Light.
Then there are the collective consensus realms which are maintained by a community of souls that have the same beliefs, but these places can fragment and eventually disappear over time as more and more souls become disillusioned with them, fallling out individually or in groups, sometimes to better "astral destinations" sometimes to worse, depending on how traumatic it was for their bubble to be burst and to realise they were hanging out with an automaton Jesus and Virgin Mary etc
Lastly, there are the Non-Delusional Realms which people freely create for themselves alone or in groups, and though they will still be coloured by their personal projected prejudices and past sufferings, in general such people and groups now know what the score is and have left what Gnosticism has sometimes called "The Middle".
END OF PASTE FROM FORUM
Now, the Relevance of Gnosticism and the reading of the Nag Hammadi Library is pivotal- no other ancient written spiritual tradition in the world can prepare you as well for the afterlife, only modern writings could top them. The constant focus on the evils of this world and the next, and how we must battle and strive to overcome them and to conquer our fears, the constant spur to vigilance, constant vigilance!
Nag Hammadi will massage your shoulders, champ, keep you in Good shape for the "fight", all those minor ones along the way leading up to the Final (Transition). Keep in shape! Keep the fire burning bright
10-15% of all NDEs are Negative Ones
These people visit Godawful realms of intolerable suffering, full of evil spirits who torment them physically, emotionally, psychologically. Perhaps the only thing that saved them from languishing in such a place for God-knows how long was being revived in the Hospital.
I have had a taste of what one of my personal Hells could be like thru recurring bad dreams I have had since I stopped smoking weed every day about a year ago. Constant dreams of nearly getting to smoke some weed but missing out! Imagine that sort of Greek-suffering-in-Hades style torment for yourself, and ask yourself are your addictions, whatever they may be, are they really worth it?
The Lore, continually refreshed and confirmed and renewed by astral traveller after astral traveller reconfirms the reality of these self-imposed delusional tortuous realms where demonic beings torment us and we linger in pits of despair and drug addicted bondage for
possibly millenia. who are these beings? many of them are humans who sunk so low they may not come back, they are just rapists and torturers now, waiting for the fresh meat to come from our existence thru to the other side. Indeed, feeding on us while we are still alive, and diverting our thoughts to their purpose, luring us into Hells
Gnostic Wisdom can help you. The Demons can only harm you if you let them. In the Afterlife, nothing negative can befall you that you do not allow to occur.
To take it to an extreme (something for another post) I talked with a Taoist once who said he had thru a series of thought experiments eliminated all possible fear of death, he had even meditated on what it would be like to burn to death and have the very flesh from his face and body melt off while he observes. Even if you wake up in flames in the Afterlife, if you have prepared for anything and your mind remains lucid and calm, then nothing bad can befall you, Especially if you train yourself to focus on the Light and the Love for outside assistance.
I have had a taste of what one of my personal Hells could be like thru recurring bad dreams I have had since I stopped smoking weed every day about a year ago. Constant dreams of nearly getting to smoke some weed but missing out! Imagine that sort of Greek-suffering-in-Hades style torment for yourself, and ask yourself are your addictions, whatever they may be, are they really worth it?
The Lore, continually refreshed and confirmed and renewed by astral traveller after astral traveller reconfirms the reality of these self-imposed delusional tortuous realms where demonic beings torment us and we linger in pits of despair and drug addicted bondage for
possibly millenia. who are these beings? many of them are humans who sunk so low they may not come back, they are just rapists and torturers now, waiting for the fresh meat to come from our existence thru to the other side. Indeed, feeding on us while we are still alive, and diverting our thoughts to their purpose, luring us into Hells
Gnostic Wisdom can help you. The Demons can only harm you if you let them. In the Afterlife, nothing negative can befall you that you do not allow to occur.
To take it to an extreme (something for another post) I talked with a Taoist once who said he had thru a series of thought experiments eliminated all possible fear of death, he had even meditated on what it would be like to burn to death and have the very flesh from his face and body melt off while he observes. Even if you wake up in flames in the Afterlife, if you have prepared for anything and your mind remains lucid and calm, then nothing bad can befall you, Especially if you train yourself to focus on the Light and the Love for outside assistance.
On The Origin of the World, Minus the Madness...
Seeing that everybody, gods of the world and mankind, says that nothing existed prior to chaos, I, in distinction to them, shall demonstrate that they are all mistaken, because they are not acquainted with the origin of chaos, nor with its root. Here is the demonstration. How well it suits all men, on the subject of chaos, to say that it is a kind of darkness! But in fact it comes from a shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. And the shadow comes from a product that has existed since the beginning.
It is, moreover, clear that it existed before chaos came into being, and that the latter is posterior to the first product. Let us therefore concern ourselves with the facts of the matter; and furthermore, with the first product, from which chaos was projected. And in this way the truth will be clearly demonstrated. After the natural structure of the immortal beings had completely developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated...
On The Origin of the World - Humorous comments on the first few paragraphs
I Love the start of "One the Origin of the World", because it begins with this rather lucid and sound philosophical line of thought quite worthy of the best that Platonism ever produced; what follows after is a sharp devolution into utter Fantasy that makes one wonder sometimes whether the Gnostics were on shrooms and whether the writer, nay, collator and assembler of this vast convoluted treatise was not themselves on Shrooms, creating an amalgam of other people's shroomed out writings. I Love this text...
On the Origin of the World
Seeing that everybody, gods of the world and mankind, says that nothing existed prior to chaos, I, in distinction to them, shall demonstrate that they are all mistaken, because they are not acquainted with the origin of chaos, nor with its root. Here is the demonstration.
How well it suits all men, on the subject of chaos, to say that it is a kind of darkness! But in fact it comes from a shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. And the shadow comes from a product that has existed since the beginning. It is, moreover, clear that it existed before chaos came into being, and that the latter is posterior to the first product. Let us therefore concern ourselves with the facts of the matter; and furthermore, with the first product, from which chaos was projected. And in this way the truth will be clearly demonstrated.
After the natural structure of the immortal beings had completely developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated from Pistis (Faith); it is called Sophia (Wisdom). It exercised volition and became a product resembling the primeval light. And immediately her will manifested itself as a likeness of heaven, having an unimaginable magnitude; it was between the immortal beings and those things that came into being after them, like [...]: she (Sophia) functioned as a veil dividing mankind from the things above.
Now the eternal realm (aeon) of truth has no shadow outside it, for the limitless light is everywhere within it. But its exterior is shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. From it, there appeared a force, presiding over the darkness. And the forces that came into being subsequent to them called the shadow 'the limitless chaos'. From it, every kind of divinity sprouted up [...] together with the entire place, so that also, shadow is posterior to the first product. It wasthe abyss that it (shadow) appeared, deriving from the aforementioned Pistis.
Then shadow perceived there was something mightier than it, and felt envy; and when it had become pregnant of its own accord, suddenly it engendered jealousy. Since that day, the principle of jealousy amongst all the eternal realms and their worlds has been apparent. Now as for that jealousy, it was found to be an abortion without any spirit in it. Like a shadow, it came into existence in a vast watery substance. Then the bile that had come into being out of the shadow was thrown into a part of chaos. Since that day, a watery substance has been apparent. And what sank within it flowed away, being visible in chaos: as with a woman giving birth to a child - all her superfluities flow out; just so, matter came into being out of shadow, and was projected apart. And it did not depart from chaos; rather, matter was in chaos, being in a part of it...
On the Origin of the World
Seeing that everybody, gods of the world and mankind, says that nothing existed prior to chaos, I, in distinction to them, shall demonstrate that they are all mistaken, because they are not acquainted with the origin of chaos, nor with its root. Here is the demonstration.
How well it suits all men, on the subject of chaos, to say that it is a kind of darkness! But in fact it comes from a shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. And the shadow comes from a product that has existed since the beginning. It is, moreover, clear that it existed before chaos came into being, and that the latter is posterior to the first product. Let us therefore concern ourselves with the facts of the matter; and furthermore, with the first product, from which chaos was projected. And in this way the truth will be clearly demonstrated.
After the natural structure of the immortal beings had completely developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated from Pistis (Faith); it is called Sophia (Wisdom). It exercised volition and became a product resembling the primeval light. And immediately her will manifested itself as a likeness of heaven, having an unimaginable magnitude; it was between the immortal beings and those things that came into being after them, like [...]: she (Sophia) functioned as a veil dividing mankind from the things above.
Now the eternal realm (aeon) of truth has no shadow outside it, for the limitless light is everywhere within it. But its exterior is shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. From it, there appeared a force, presiding over the darkness. And the forces that came into being subsequent to them called the shadow 'the limitless chaos'. From it, every kind of divinity sprouted up [...] together with the entire place, so that also, shadow is posterior to the first product. It was
Then shadow perceived there was something mightier than it, and felt envy; and when it had become pregnant of its own accord, suddenly it engendered jealousy. Since that day, the principle of jealousy amongst all the eternal realms and their worlds has been apparent. Now as for that jealousy, it was found to be an abortion without any spirit in it. Like a shadow, it came into existence in a vast watery substance. Then the bile that had come into being out of the shadow was thrown into a part of chaos. Since that day, a watery substance has been apparent. And what sank within it flowed away, being visible in chaos: as with a woman giving birth to a child - all her superfluities flow out; just so, matter came into being out of shadow, and was projected apart. And it did not depart from chaos; rather, matter was in chaos, being in a part of it...
Michael Baigent on Astral Travelling Jesus
the following I previously posted at palmtreegarden forum, thought it was worth putting here even though it may cover some ground I've already discussed
In Michael Baigent's recent book "The Jesus Papers" he makes the startling argument that Jesus was intiated into the secrets of visiting the 'Far World', secrets that many other traditions throughout the mediterranean world had been privy to over the millenia including the Egyptians, the Orphics, other Mystery cults etc
He draws particular attention to the similarities between Secret Gospel of Mark and accounts of practices of Mystery cult traditions in which the initiate is put into a state of 'incubation' in a dark and quiet place, usually under the ground or in a cave. Baigent's argument is that Jesus didn't raise the young man in white clothing from the dead literally, (traditionally an initiate would wear clothes than usual- that he is mentioned as having certain clothes is significant) but rather rose his spirit by giving him Gnosis of the Heavens
Anyone who has read Baigent's book would realise that even though he doesn't use the word "astral" anywhere in it (perhaps he carefully bit his tongue!) that he is most certainly talking about Out-of-Body experience (astral projection), seperation of the consciousness from the body-in short, the exploration of another Realm. One is left with the distinct impression that Baigent believes in this realm, not merely researching and discussing those who did believe in it.
It cannot be denied that if a person acheived such a state, exploring (real!) realms beyond our normal perception, that this is a form of Gnosis, even if it is somewhat less than 100% undiluted by our own psychological projections/expectations/delusions/fears/desires (as the Tibetan Book of the Dead clearly states it is)-ANY exploration of such a spiritual realms that goes beyond mere 'lucid dreaming' is a form of Gnosis, though certainly not the only one.
The controversy I wish to discuss (but by no means the only one in regard to this topic, please do suggest others) is about when personal first-hand experience, Gnosis of the Other Realms then leads us to have the Ancient Gnostic texts defer to our own experiences, to indeed be superceded by them. Growth!
I may sound insulting, but I do feel there are many Neo-Gnostics who have a strong subconscious reluctance to explore the possibilities of Astral Projection/Out-of-Body experience or any other sustained personal explorations into paranormal phenomena- a subconscious reluctance borne of the tyrannical, blind and crippling rule of the Ego, (which we can never really smite definitively while we're still alive, at the very least, I do believe)
Also, there is the fear of the downgraded sense of importance, of revelation from our blessed Gnostic texts. But this needn't be the vase. I Feel the Truth immanent in what they say, You Feel it too. We know they aren't true all the time but when they speak Truth they Speak Truth.So I think we as Gnostics need to not fear the Paranormal, or our exploration of it, but rather embrace it.
This is a website on Gnosticism set up by New Dawn Magazine, and the article I have linked concerns the correlations between Gnosticism, Out-Of-Body Experience, Tibetan Book of the Dead, Emmanuel Swedenborg, etchttp://www.gnostic.info/outofbody.html"The Out of Body Experience as Gnostic Revelation" by Jim Dekorne
In Michael Baigent's recent book "The Jesus Papers" he makes the startling argument that Jesus was intiated into the secrets of visiting the 'Far World', secrets that many other traditions throughout the mediterranean world had been privy to over the millenia including the Egyptians, the Orphics, other Mystery cults etc
He draws particular attention to the similarities between Secret Gospel of Mark and accounts of practices of Mystery cult traditions in which the initiate is put into a state of 'incubation' in a dark and quiet place, usually under the ground or in a cave. Baigent's argument is that Jesus didn't raise the young man in white clothing from the dead literally, (traditionally an initiate would wear clothes than usual- that he is mentioned as having certain clothes is significant) but rather rose his spirit by giving him Gnosis of the Heavens
Anyone who has read Baigent's book would realise that even though he doesn't use the word "astral" anywhere in it (perhaps he carefully bit his tongue!) that he is most certainly talking about Out-of-Body experience (astral projection), seperation of the consciousness from the body-in short, the exploration of another Realm. One is left with the distinct impression that Baigent believes in this realm, not merely researching and discussing those who did believe in it.
It cannot be denied that if a person acheived such a state, exploring (real!) realms beyond our normal perception, that this is a form of Gnosis, even if it is somewhat less than 100% undiluted by our own psychological projections/expectations/delusions/fears/desires (as the Tibetan Book of the Dead clearly states it is)-ANY exploration of such a spiritual realms that goes beyond mere 'lucid dreaming' is a form of Gnosis, though certainly not the only one.
The controversy I wish to discuss (but by no means the only one in regard to this topic, please do suggest others) is about when personal first-hand experience, Gnosis of the Other Realms then leads us to have the Ancient Gnostic texts defer to our own experiences, to indeed be superceded by them. Growth!
I may sound insulting, but I do feel there are many Neo-Gnostics who have a strong subconscious reluctance to explore the possibilities of Astral Projection/Out-of-Body experience or any other sustained personal explorations into paranormal phenomena- a subconscious reluctance borne of the tyrannical, blind and crippling rule of the Ego, (which we can never really smite definitively while we're still alive, at the very least, I do believe)
Also, there is the fear of the downgraded sense of importance, of revelation from our blessed Gnostic texts. But this needn't be the vase. I Feel the Truth immanent in what they say, You Feel it too. We know they aren't true all the time but when they speak Truth they Speak Truth.So I think we as Gnostics need to not fear the Paranormal, or our exploration of it, but rather embrace it.
This is a website on Gnosticism set up by New Dawn Magazine, and the article I have linked concerns the correlations between Gnosticism, Out-Of-Body Experience, Tibetan Book of the Dead, Emmanuel Swedenborg, etchttp://www.gnostic.info/outofbody.html"The Out of Body Experience as Gnostic Revelation" by Jim Dekorne
My Vision: A Forum where you have to Renouce the God of Abraham to be a Member
Now THAT is Inspiration! We renounce you, Oh Yaldabaoth we renounce you in the Name of All that is Holy!
I see the Future in My Dreams
I...Am....A PRECOG! But then, so we all should be, in theory. Maybe not every lifetime has incidents of precognition, a person's lifetime devoid of the magic of Reality breaking thru into their little world. All I know is that I have had many, many precognitive dreams, and they are always fulfilled within 24-72 odd hours, although even straight away as soon as I wake up, on occassion. How about that?
I won't bore you with the details just now as the Archons of laziness are preventing me from typing out for the upteenth time my "Big Six" precog hit-the-nail-on-the-head experiences that I have told people in yahoo chat before. Maybe I'll post them in another post some time soon. Even if I told you I could be lying, from your perspective (rolls around laughing)
Dream Precognition is the best sort because you can prove it to yourself that it really happened, nobody can take that away from you. Even though details here and there were not exact, so what, thats your dreaming brain colouring the received impressions from the Akashic Aether and so something here will be slightly different, and something there. But when the dream is fulfilled, you Know you saw the future!
What do most of us do with this information is it happens to us? Once, probably not much. Twice, that gets you thinking. Third Time? There's a percentage of the Precog'ing population that at this point would be "converted" to belief that this was really happening. Half a Dozen Good Precog Dreams, unambiguously foreseeing what soon transpires? Knowing. Gnosis.
But then I fear that sadly, far too many of us just shrug it off as though it were nothing, just a coincidence or (even worse in a way) that seeing the future doesn't prove the Immortality of the Soul and so 'what use is it to us'? they think. How did we become so dejected as a race, that when the Blessed Other Side breaks into our lives we sit there all miserable and ho-hum about it.
It's like depression, really, or like when you've stayed up for far too long and everything seems boring. "Ho-hum I saw the future again, big deal what does it prove?"
READ UP ON THE NET ABOUT WHAT IT PROVES! READ UP IN BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY ABOUT WHAT IT PROVES. BUY BOOKS ABOUT IT FROM YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE! FIND OUT ABOUT BOOKS TO DO WITH PRECOGNITION ON THE NET AND HAVE THEM ORDERED IN TO YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE OR DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR!
I won't bore you with the details just now as the Archons of laziness are preventing me from typing out for the upteenth time my "Big Six" precog hit-the-nail-on-the-head experiences that I have told people in yahoo chat before. Maybe I'll post them in another post some time soon. Even if I told you I could be lying, from your perspective (rolls around laughing)
Dream Precognition is the best sort because you can prove it to yourself that it really happened, nobody can take that away from you. Even though details here and there were not exact, so what, thats your dreaming brain colouring the received impressions from the Akashic Aether and so something here will be slightly different, and something there. But when the dream is fulfilled, you Know you saw the future!
What do most of us do with this information is it happens to us? Once, probably not much. Twice, that gets you thinking. Third Time? There's a percentage of the Precog'ing population that at this point would be "converted" to belief that this was really happening. Half a Dozen Good Precog Dreams, unambiguously foreseeing what soon transpires? Knowing. Gnosis.
But then I fear that sadly, far too many of us just shrug it off as though it were nothing, just a coincidence or (even worse in a way) that seeing the future doesn't prove the Immortality of the Soul and so 'what use is it to us'? they think. How did we become so dejected as a race, that when the Blessed Other Side breaks into our lives we sit there all miserable and ho-hum about it.
It's like depression, really, or like when you've stayed up for far too long and everything seems boring. "Ho-hum I saw the future again, big deal what does it prove?"
READ UP ON THE NET ABOUT WHAT IT PROVES! READ UP IN BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY ABOUT WHAT IT PROVES. BUY BOOKS ABOUT IT FROM YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE! FIND OUT ABOUT BOOKS TO DO WITH PRECOGNITION ON THE NET AND HAVE THEM ORDERED IN TO YOUR LOCAL BOOKSTORE OR DELIVERED TO YOUR DOOR!
Extraterrestrial Archons Hypothesis the best bet
The Root of All things Archonic comes from the Demiurgic Process. Even Atheists would admit this, as all things made, all structures have their price- we are animals and we are very vile at times. There is no need for the Creator to be like Ialdabaoth. There may be something along those lines going on from a Phildickian 'Artifact of the Urgrund' perspective in his "Cosmogony and Cosmology" (his argument is very seductive) but once again, there's no need.
No need for the Demiurge in the Gnostic sense. Demiurgic Process, however- who could argue with it? We are evil because we are machines. Our Ego is a product of evolution is constantly dogs even the best of us, often fooling us into thinking we have transcended the Ego when really we have merely been ensnared into yet another illusion. These are the Archons within us, but I believe there are other Archons as well
In Gnosticism you have the Archons that establish some brutal sort of order, and then there are the others hanging over the pit of chaos, Belias among them, who are just plain out-of-control, probably suffering as much as meting out suffering to others unfortunate enough to be trapped there. This, in many ways, is analogous with the findings of many Astral Travellers.
There are Demons, very real, who dog us in this life and the next. Who literally swarm over some of us feeding on God-knows-what though we've been given some clues by the repeated stream of information from NDErs and OBEers and it more often than not correlates very neatly with the ancient Lore on these matters.
Astral Projection Pioneer Monroe relates that one time some unknown entities stopped him in his tracks while he was out of the body and drained from him something that he decided to describe as "Loosh". That's what I think as well, there's Alien Archons that are every bit as wretched as us because they are a product of existence like us and they are feeding on us as we feed on the animals. Not very original, no. But the truth can be cliche you know.
Reptilians, Greys shit yeah. Alien Archons. John Lash is Right, Except about the Gaia Sophia stuff and the fractal stuff and the aliens as non-biological thing...thats kinda whacked! But he's right about the alien archons thing I reckon and it certainly makes for an interesting exegesis of Gnostic text.
They're draining our Loosh and putting it in fuckin Energon Cubes just like the Decepticons in Tranformers, and they taint our DNA so that we're dumber and so they water us down racially and then top themselves up with our attributes that they need, for instance to improve their physical beauty (greys especially) and possibly also so that they can experience the depth of emotions we have and even to aide in the very salvation of their astral souls!
Oh yeah, and they're turning out Third Eyes to cement with all the flouride they're putting in the water through their alien-possessed flesh-suit proxies here on Earth.
And George W. Bush is probably an Alien in disguise etc
Now, I could be wrong about all these things but if I was all these assumptions will have only aided me in my soul's ascent because its a very slimmed down set of "beliefs" (or entertained possibilities so to speak) from the expansive traditional Gnostic Mythos
very little chance of me getting ensnared in Astral Delusions from believing in such things and what is more, to anticipate the Archons, biological or otherwise, is to thwart them. One can be out of Hell in the blink of an Eye all they need to do is turn to the Light
Abduct my Body, Aliens; taint my very DNA- But my Soul Soars High Above Yours and I am no Longer Afraid :)
No need for the Demiurge in the Gnostic sense. Demiurgic Process, however- who could argue with it? We are evil because we are machines. Our Ego is a product of evolution is constantly dogs even the best of us, often fooling us into thinking we have transcended the Ego when really we have merely been ensnared into yet another illusion. These are the Archons within us, but I believe there are other Archons as well
In Gnosticism you have the Archons that establish some brutal sort of order, and then there are the others hanging over the pit of chaos, Belias among them, who are just plain out-of-control, probably suffering as much as meting out suffering to others unfortunate enough to be trapped there. This, in many ways, is analogous with the findings of many Astral Travellers.
There are Demons, very real, who dog us in this life and the next. Who literally swarm over some of us feeding on God-knows-what though we've been given some clues by the repeated stream of information from NDErs and OBEers and it more often than not correlates very neatly with the ancient Lore on these matters.
Astral Projection Pioneer Monroe relates that one time some unknown entities stopped him in his tracks while he was out of the body and drained from him something that he decided to describe as "Loosh". That's what I think as well, there's Alien Archons that are every bit as wretched as us because they are a product of existence like us and they are feeding on us as we feed on the animals. Not very original, no. But the truth can be cliche you know.
Reptilians, Greys shit yeah. Alien Archons. John Lash is Right, Except about the Gaia Sophia stuff and the fractal stuff and the aliens as non-biological thing...thats kinda whacked! But he's right about the alien archons thing I reckon and it certainly makes for an interesting exegesis of Gnostic text.
They're draining our Loosh and putting it in fuckin Energon Cubes just like the Decepticons in Tranformers, and they taint our DNA so that we're dumber and so they water us down racially and then top themselves up with our attributes that they need, for instance to improve their physical beauty (greys especially) and possibly also so that they can experience the depth of emotions we have and even to aide in the very salvation of their astral souls!
Oh yeah, and they're turning out Third Eyes to cement with all the flouride they're putting in the water through their alien-possessed flesh-suit proxies here on Earth.
And George W. Bush is probably an Alien in disguise etc
Now, I could be wrong about all these things but if I was all these assumptions will have only aided me in my soul's ascent because its a very slimmed down set of "beliefs" (or entertained possibilities so to speak) from the expansive traditional Gnostic Mythos
very little chance of me getting ensnared in Astral Delusions from believing in such things and what is more, to anticipate the Archons, biological or otherwise, is to thwart them. One can be out of Hell in the blink of an Eye all they need to do is turn to the Light
Abduct my Body, Aliens; taint my very DNA- But my Soul Soars High Above Yours and I am no Longer Afraid :)
Jesus Gnosticism a Cult of Personality (poor Jesus)
Poor Jesus, the Real Jesus that is. Socrates doesn't have to put up with this bs, nobody prays to him all the time, calls his name out feebly in the night. Imagine having the super-hearing of Superman but not the ability. Yes, I assume Jesus is not God or the Son of God and does not have the ability to be several places at once. Okay, maybe possibly three places at once, but not millions of places!
Poor Jesus in the afterlife, having to here over the Astral aether the continual misguided yearnings and assumptions of several millenia of humanity. Modern Gnostics are doing the same thing, annoying the shit out of Jesus.
Don't pray to Jesus. Just listen to the wisdom that came out of his mouth and the wisdom that was put into his mouth by subsequent authors. Just like with Socrates, we listen to the wisdom of Socrates-Plato and Socrates-Xenophon.
Jesus- a Mouthpiece for a Massive amount of wisdom, some of it most probably wisdom of the sort attained by people who had paranormal experiences and related them in the best way they could understand. Just like the Tibetan Buddhists.
John Lash was right, Jesus may have been an ancient Jewish Yasser Arafat! I enjoyed the way some of the Gnostics at palmtreegarden took offence to that particular comparison. I don't particularly believe it myself, I think Jesus was a profound pacifist and also didn't worship Yahweh, but possibly El, for instance. Or the One, the Monad. Who know, does it really matter?
The Gnostic scriptures have so much stuff streaming out of Jesus's mouth that at a certain point the honest individual has to just listen to the wisdom and forget the mouthpiece
Poor Jesus in the afterlife, having to here over the Astral aether the continual misguided yearnings and assumptions of several millenia of humanity. Modern Gnostics are doing the same thing, annoying the shit out of Jesus.
Don't pray to Jesus. Just listen to the wisdom that came out of his mouth and the wisdom that was put into his mouth by subsequent authors. Just like with Socrates, we listen to the wisdom of Socrates-Plato and Socrates-Xenophon.
Jesus- a Mouthpiece for a Massive amount of wisdom, some of it most probably wisdom of the sort attained by people who had paranormal experiences and related them in the best way they could understand. Just like the Tibetan Buddhists.
John Lash was right, Jesus may have been an ancient Jewish Yasser Arafat! I enjoyed the way some of the Gnostics at palmtreegarden took offence to that particular comparison. I don't particularly believe it myself, I think Jesus was a profound pacifist and also didn't worship Yahweh, but possibly El, for instance. Or the One, the Monad. Who know, does it really matter?
The Gnostic scriptures have so much stuff streaming out of Jesus's mouth that at a certain point the honest individual has to just listen to the wisdom and forget the mouthpiece
A New Apocalyptic
You may scoff at the thing called EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) and think it isn't real, or its dubious and people aren't really recording Ghosts on audio, etc. That won't change it from being so if it is so!
They say that you can't find evidence of spiritual things because they're spiritual and not physical! What rubbish! There is an Objective Reality and the world of spirit works within it and in the broader scheme of things the world of spirit and this apparent phenomenal world we are currently aware of or able to prove with certitude are infact One World, One Reality, One Substance. This means we can use the scientific instruments at out disposal and go "fishing" for Ghosts. Ain't that swell?
Why aren't You trying to Fish for Ghosts? Because you don't want to "waste your time"? I think not spending your time in paranormal research is a waste of time, indeed a waste of your life. Paranormal Research is a far better spiritual path than getting high of ancient texts all the time.
Oh the Glory, the Glory of it when the Scientists who persisted with the Paranormal EVP research and the Spirit Materialisation under lab conditions work are vindicated! Oh the Glory when the Astral Travellers are vindicated as Pioneers who travelled to very real places, not just lucid dream world as the Ignorant Nay-Sayers proclaim, sniggering in their dark little corners.
I Give You The New Apocalyptic-The Time is Near at Hand when The Scientists shall Prove the Afterlife to the Masses, when the Proof will be so undeniable that nothing can be done by the non-religious fundie skeptics, they will have to Submit Before Reality. As for the Fundies, Let Them say it's a trick of Satan, let them linger in their self-imposed darkness, what of that!
We Shall Cross Over Joyously, the First Generation that Crossed Over Without Pain
They say that you can't find evidence of spiritual things because they're spiritual and not physical! What rubbish! There is an Objective Reality and the world of spirit works within it and in the broader scheme of things the world of spirit and this apparent phenomenal world we are currently aware of or able to prove with certitude are infact One World, One Reality, One Substance. This means we can use the scientific instruments at out disposal and go "fishing" for Ghosts. Ain't that swell?
Why aren't You trying to Fish for Ghosts? Because you don't want to "waste your time"? I think not spending your time in paranormal research is a waste of time, indeed a waste of your life. Paranormal Research is a far better spiritual path than getting high of ancient texts all the time.
Oh the Glory, the Glory of it when the Scientists who persisted with the Paranormal EVP research and the Spirit Materialisation under lab conditions work are vindicated! Oh the Glory when the Astral Travellers are vindicated as Pioneers who travelled to very real places, not just lucid dream world as the Ignorant Nay-Sayers proclaim, sniggering in their dark little corners.
I Give You The New Apocalyptic-The Time is Near at Hand when The Scientists shall Prove the Afterlife to the Masses, when the Proof will be so undeniable that nothing can be done by the non-religious fundie skeptics, they will have to Submit Before Reality. As for the Fundies, Let Them say it's a trick of Satan, let them linger in their self-imposed darkness, what of that!
We Shall Cross Over Joyously, the First Generation that Crossed Over Without Pain
some Neo-Gnostics afraid of James Cameron! (I not one of them)
I noticed that a recent thread about James Cameron on Palmtreegarden were hostile about the whole Tomb of Jesus thing. Seriously, it's post after post sycophants saying the same stuff, negative stuff about the whole controversy. Why? Why do we care if Jesus had a corpse? As if the body raises from the dead! It's the Soul, the Spirit, the Astral Double, the Shadow (or are we the shadow?) The Twin.
Whatever my innermost essence is, which from the research of many scientists including Joe H. Slate MD (in his book 'Beyond Reincarnation') would most likely appear to be some sort of preincarnate virginal intelligence that then attaches itself to a biological machine such as a human body- whatever the inner essence of my soul is, I have no doubt that what raises with it is the copy of the body, with all of it's imperfections! Sure, you may be able to reverse the ageing of your body in the afterlife as many NDEers and OBEers have attested to seeing their loved ones precisely doing and to have done, but I reckon if you have an ugly mug down here, you're taking it up there with you, only able to mask it at times with a kind of "similitude". Maybe thats one of the reasons why we choose to incarnate so many times, vanity! To finally have a face we can stand to wear as our primary Avatar over the countless millenia and millions and billions of years.
You consider me presumptuous and to be taking their word for it, all those NDers and OBEers and Parapsychologists and what-not? Well, volitional incarnation makes a whole lot more sense than some outdated version of karma and where you may become an animal in the next life against your will- how stupid!
So Jesus's body died. I believe (if he existed at all) that his Soul Rose, and spoke to the disciples and continued to teach. I believe that Jesus while alive healed the sick, as we all can!
Whatever my innermost essence is, which from the research of many scientists including Joe H. Slate MD (in his book 'Beyond Reincarnation') would most likely appear to be some sort of preincarnate virginal intelligence that then attaches itself to a biological machine such as a human body- whatever the inner essence of my soul is, I have no doubt that what raises with it is the copy of the body, with all of it's imperfections! Sure, you may be able to reverse the ageing of your body in the afterlife as many NDEers and OBEers have attested to seeing their loved ones precisely doing and to have done, but I reckon if you have an ugly mug down here, you're taking it up there with you, only able to mask it at times with a kind of "similitude". Maybe thats one of the reasons why we choose to incarnate so many times, vanity! To finally have a face we can stand to wear as our primary Avatar over the countless millenia and millions and billions of years.
You consider me presumptuous and to be taking their word for it, all those NDers and OBEers and Parapsychologists and what-not? Well, volitional incarnation makes a whole lot more sense than some outdated version of karma and where you may become an animal in the next life against your will- how stupid!
So Jesus's body died. I believe (if he existed at all) that his Soul Rose, and spoke to the disciples and continued to teach. I believe that Jesus while alive healed the sick, as we all can!
More on Astral Projection and Seeming Vindictiveness toward palmtreegarden
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if many tune out from this Blog the initial tone seems to be one of duality, us and then, war, struggle. Oh well! I do tend to ramble and digress from topic headings because I am writing on the fly. I do feel that I have some valid points to make though, about the subtle processes that threaten to mediocritise Neo-Gnosticism, and these processes I do not see as in any way being limited to Palmtreegarden, afterall people like Elaine Pagels and what-not have been presenting a sanitized face to Gnosticism for years.
One of my topic threads before i was banned concerned Astral Projection. I placed other threads about this same subject in the past, using other usernames because like so much dead skin some of us often slough off one username after another, whether it be forums or chatrooms. As Nietzsche said (to paraphrase), we change, evolve, and nobody notices and they don't forgive us for the past.
The reception to any discussion of the Paranormal, overall, in Palmtreegarden, I have noticed is rather tepid and I am referring to beyond the threads I myself started under three different usernames. Could this be an indication of an underlying hostility to the Paranormal in Neo-Gnostic ranks? I wouldn't be surprised, afterall in recent years Science and Research of the Paranormal have become two words taken more and more seriously in conjunction with eachother.
People make excuses to ignore the abundant evidence, whether they be Atheists, Christians or New Age sorts. They want to remain embedded in their familiar belief systems, and, quite literally, it would appear they may well be in this life and some period of time in the Next!
I don't plan to spend possible millenia romping around some cloudy place with fellow sheep talking to a collectively projected automaton Jesus. I want to experience the Non-delusional astral heavens, thankyou.
Sophia, Feminine Principle? The Fall of Sophia, while beautiful from an aesthetic, (greek) tragic perspective is a horrible continuation and sublimination of the "fault in woman" doctrine. Far better to read into Sophia nothing much more than the opposite of "monad", (product of) Barbelo out of control etc Male=Monad, Female=Dyad. Done!
Now we have a whole bunch of Modern people believing in a Sophia! I don't need Mummy thankyou very much. I do digress, perhaps this is for another post!
One thing you can rely on, whoever listens to this blog. I will continue to bash things like I am doing, I haven't even gotten started.
Rheginos- bashing the Archonic forces within Gnosticism itself
One of my topic threads before i was banned concerned Astral Projection. I placed other threads about this same subject in the past, using other usernames because like so much dead skin some of us often slough off one username after another, whether it be forums or chatrooms. As Nietzsche said (to paraphrase), we change, evolve, and nobody notices and they don't forgive us for the past.
The reception to any discussion of the Paranormal, overall, in Palmtreegarden, I have noticed is rather tepid and I am referring to beyond the threads I myself started under three different usernames. Could this be an indication of an underlying hostility to the Paranormal in Neo-Gnostic ranks? I wouldn't be surprised, afterall in recent years Science and Research of the Paranormal have become two words taken more and more seriously in conjunction with eachother.
People make excuses to ignore the abundant evidence, whether they be Atheists, Christians or New Age sorts. They want to remain embedded in their familiar belief systems, and, quite literally, it would appear they may well be in this life and some period of time in the Next!
I don't plan to spend possible millenia romping around some cloudy place with fellow sheep talking to a collectively projected automaton Jesus. I want to experience the Non-delusional astral heavens, thankyou.
Sophia, Feminine Principle? The Fall of Sophia, while beautiful from an aesthetic, (greek) tragic perspective is a horrible continuation and sublimination of the "fault in woman" doctrine. Far better to read into Sophia nothing much more than the opposite of "monad", (product of) Barbelo out of control etc Male=Monad, Female=Dyad. Done!
Now we have a whole bunch of Modern people believing in a Sophia! I don't need Mummy thankyou very much. I do digress, perhaps this is for another post!
One thing you can rely on, whoever listens to this blog. I will continue to bash things like I am doing, I haven't even gotten started.
Rheginos- bashing the Archonic forces within Gnosticism itself
More Gnostic Forums are Needed
I started this Blog partially due to the fact that I was banned from Palm Tree Garden Forum and because I lazily had my username set to auto-login I can't even establish a new username or even View messages on the forum. I won't be surprised if the Moderators decide to just leave me hanging, unable to even Read anything from the forum from my own computer.
This isn't intended overall as a rant against palmtreegarden, for the most part I have praise for it, a wildly successful and vibrant community that has even seen some beautiful pieces of original Gnostic compositions emerge in its blessed spaces.
But there need to be other Gnostic forums that can represent those with darker moods, more forboding concerns and anger to express. Palm Tree Garden as an entity, an "actor" in the socio-political stage has become, I do believe, interested in presenting a sanitized face of Gnosticism and the overall counter-Orthodox Underground.
I myself lack to funds to set up another forum, and even if I did it certainly wouldn't be a rival forum, but rather just somewhere that Gnostic-types can express things that they can't on palmtreegarden, that's all. Anyone who knows of such a place, please do inform me!
I was puzzled that palmtreegarden has two Catholic Moderators (though I doubt at least one of the self-proclaimed catholic Mod's sincere commitments to Catholicism). Now, I am not being alarmist and saying "Oh No, Archons!", and even if I did I would be saying that all the other Mods were potential Archonic Actors (in the sociopolitical context), as is always the case in ANY Moderated forum environment. Indeed, censorship is a necessary evil.
I wish there was a Gnostic forum where the Mods had a pre-arranged understanding that they were going to say Yes to slamming Judaism, Christianity and Islam (In this definition i do not include assorted heretics such as Quakers, Christian Science, Swedenborgianism, Newly Emerging Church Movement etc).
Palmtreegarden folk seem happy to slam Atheists and the like because, dare I say, they don't feel they need to gain anything from them, to score any brownie points. But now you can't even call Christians "stupid" anymore, what's up with that?
Christianity will never accept Gnosticism because Gnosticism hates their God. And thank the True God for That! Any Christian who considers Gnosticism not to be a tool of Satan or at the very least a dangerous and unrecommended perversion of their faith is someone I call not really a Christian, they're a Neo-Christian one of the New Breed. I salute the New Breed! Come out of the closets, New Breed Christians, and proclaim your seperation from the moronic flock of Borg!
This isn't intended overall as a rant against palmtreegarden, for the most part I have praise for it, a wildly successful and vibrant community that has even seen some beautiful pieces of original Gnostic compositions emerge in its blessed spaces.
But there need to be other Gnostic forums that can represent those with darker moods, more forboding concerns and anger to express. Palm Tree Garden as an entity, an "actor" in the socio-political stage has become, I do believe, interested in presenting a sanitized face of Gnosticism and the overall counter-Orthodox Underground.
I myself lack to funds to set up another forum, and even if I did it certainly wouldn't be a rival forum, but rather just somewhere that Gnostic-types can express things that they can't on palmtreegarden, that's all. Anyone who knows of such a place, please do inform me!
I was puzzled that palmtreegarden has two Catholic Moderators (though I doubt at least one of the self-proclaimed catholic Mod's sincere commitments to Catholicism). Now, I am not being alarmist and saying "Oh No, Archons!", and even if I did I would be saying that all the other Mods were potential Archonic Actors (in the sociopolitical context), as is always the case in ANY Moderated forum environment. Indeed, censorship is a necessary evil.
I wish there was a Gnostic forum where the Mods had a pre-arranged understanding that they were going to say Yes to slamming Judaism, Christianity and Islam (In this definition i do not include assorted heretics such as Quakers, Christian Science, Swedenborgianism, Newly Emerging Church Movement etc).
Palmtreegarden folk seem happy to slam Atheists and the like because, dare I say, they don't feel they need to gain anything from them, to score any brownie points. But now you can't even call Christians "stupid" anymore, what's up with that?
Christianity will never accept Gnosticism because Gnosticism hates their God. And thank the True God for That! Any Christian who considers Gnosticism not to be a tool of Satan or at the very least a dangerous and unrecommended perversion of their faith is someone I call not really a Christian, they're a Neo-Christian one of the New Breed. I salute the New Breed! Come out of the closets, New Breed Christians, and proclaim your seperation from the moronic flock of Borg!
Gnosticism must eventually defer to Personal Gnosis
This Universe is hostile and impersonal, as Tool says in their latest album. Full of Love? Rather there are quanta of Love within this cold and unforgiving abode that struggle to survive and to grow and illumine the Darkness.
How many Millenia has your Soul already spent in Darkness and how many Millenia more shall it? What would happen if your present Incarnation ended today on a bad note, at your lowest? Don't you think the Archons would love to do precisely just that, to assault your mind at your last breath, and and entangle you in some dreadful Afterlife fate? Do you really think the "Light" or the "Aeons" or the "Angels" will save you straight away, that they're going to just do all the work for you?
There is only one cure to the Fear, and that is to Know that Consciousness Survives Death. Read all the scriptures you please, you will not receive the guarantee of escaping Astral torments, the realms of weeping and gnashing of teeth- you will not escape the self-made astral prisons of addiction to drugs and sex if you do not prepare for the possibility. You will not escape the counterfeit heavens and hells that suck the countless souls in and waste their time
I cling by the fingernails to Knowing of the Reality of the Paranormal. I see the future in my dreams before it occurs. I have become an amatuer Paranormal Investigator and simultaneously pursue the paths of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) research, and attempted Astral Projection/Out of Body Experience, with the aim to prove that through OBEs you can see what you shouldn't be able to see, in short, I establish Proof Points.
My challenge to all you so-called Gnostics out there is Why Aren't you Trying to Astrally Project as well? Afraid that you'll learn there's no Sophia? Oh Boo Hoo
I believe the Nag Hammadi Texts contain many Truths, and that the Archons are very, very real. Moreover, I believe that there is Salvation, but you won't attain it through reading ancient texts. Gnosticism must defer to Personal Gnosis, only through personal Knowing of the Immortality of the Soul can we be assured of escaping the Manifold Horrors that befall unprepared souls in the Afterlife
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